Gnostic Predestinationism destroyed by Matthew 23:37

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 Above image - from Calvinism Refuted.org - caption of the clearly bitter irony: "I am sorry Sally, I have predestinated you, your mother and your father all to a fiery eternal torment and there's nothing you can do about it. Have fun suffering in horrible, unending anguish." (... and I add: "Amen"). [http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/calvinismrefuted.htm]

If God “would,” then why does Calvin say that God secretly predestined that He “would not”? That’s the contradictory nature of Calvinism, which some have tried to avoid by limiting the scope of whom Jesus had referred. The delight of the Arminian is that you can pit Calvin against the Calvinists in order to show that even one of their patriarchs weighed their argument and dismissed it, since Calvin affirmed that “...this can be said of the whole people....”

Yea, interesting. Independent Baptists - as this blogger consider himself to be a part of - should be in the middle, between Calvinism and Armianism. ONLY the Bible in the middle, the focus, to hold it with strength. Anyway in a messianic perspective, "eschatological" would say someone,  I tend to see Arminianism, even if with her distortion of Scripture, a sort of intervention of God to counter and  keep quiet the Calvinist hellish influence on His flock. Like the intervention of God to pull down the rising Roman Empire, using Arminius of the Cherusci German nation. I don't know if the similarity of the names are an hint by God, anyway Arminius, in blocking the expansion of Roman Empire with the Teutoburg epochal disaster, let, centuries later, the containing of the Harlot of Rome, and hence the survival of the New Testament churches known also as "Vaudoises", "Albigenses/Bogomiles", etc.:

Thursday, October 2, 2014
Teutoburg, September, 9 A.D.: a punishment of God on the seed of the Serpent.
http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/10/teutoburg-september-9-ad-punishment-of.html

 
Ireneus was no church-father of course, the true only church-fathers were the traditional Apostles of the NT (with a nephew of them as I love to point out as such Patrick of Dumbarton up there in South Scotland). But if Ireneus was any sort of church-father, figure it out how you can consider a certain Calvin, an (ana)Baptists-hater and bloody persecutor of the ones  disagreeing with him. Oh surely to kill "heretics" is of no influence on one's salvation if he feels himself "predestined" to salvation.....

Matthew 23:37-39 (see Psalm 91:4; Jeremiah 13:17; Hosea 7:13; Luke 19:41; John 5:40)

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

When the Gnostics, who were heavily involved with Platonic philosophy, asserted that God was indeed the author of sin, it was Irenaeus (130-200) who immediately rejected it in his discourse entitled: God, not the Author of Sin. (Peri Monarchias) In it, he appeals to Matthew 23:37: “This expression, ‘How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldst not,’ set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free (agent) from the beginning, possessing his own soul to obey the behests of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God...And in man as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice...If then it were not in our power to do or not to do these things, what reason had the apostle, and much more the Lord Himself, to give us counsel to do some things and to abstain from others?” (Against Heresies XXXVII,Book 4, Ch. 37, emphasis mine)

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Calvinists have historically interpreted Matthew 23:37 in different two ways. The first is by proposing a Secret Will explanation, and the second is by restricting Jerusalem to its leaders. Since Calvin employed the former, we will begin with that: ...."

.....read the following of the Arminian demolition of Predestinationist twisting of Scripture, at the address:

[sorry, if the below link doesn't work, it not my fault, I tried to correct the editing of the link many times, for example the still black "l" of "hml", many times annulled and repeated the procedure selecting the whole URL, but with no success. Pls, don't click on it,  just select it and chose "open in another Tab". I'm sorry for the troubles caused by the Devil in the servers, but this is the toll to pay (google 2 Timothy 3:12)]

http://www.examiningcalvinism.com/files/Gospels/Matthew23_37.html

Above image - about an example about the Calvinist/Predestinationist twisting of Scripture, transforming them in a sort of a "veil" covering a "secret knowledge", of course known only to the "sect"; ever heard about "Gnostics"?.... Image taken from the page: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/calvinismrefuted.htm

Thursday, January 5, 2017
Calvinist "god" is the other side of Darwinism
http://spirithismouth.blogspot.it/2017/01/calvinist-god-is-other-side-of-darwinism.html
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Fined in 2015 for "distorted interpretation" of the Bible and reading it from "electronic devices".

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The total war on Baptists and similar Christian denominations, by the cults of Costantine, sees Putin's Russia only as a test, an experimental laboratory for what soon will be applied also to all the world. 
"Kill Baptists" was the cry which was able to unify deadly enemies as Catholicism, Lutheranism (and not unseemingly also Calvinism). Baptists are the perfect "common enemy", another sort of "Jewish threat" to fight and overcome in order to "free" the world:

2. In 1529, the imposing DIET OF SPEIRS (Speyer) pronounced the death sentence upon all Anabaptists. This council was composed of both Roman Catholic and Protestant princes and heads of state. They hated each other and did not get along even in this Diet, but they hated the Anabaptists even more!  

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Catholics, Ortodoxies, Protestants, all-together claps your hand: "death to the Baptists!"
http://spirithismouth.blogspot.it/2016/10/catholics-ortodoxies-protestants-all.html

This is probably the policy of the Jesuit Order today, to drag to themselves all the other Protestants in a common final liquidation (no need to be performed only by killings) of the Baptists, alluring the historical Protestants  in to take part of this ecumenical crusade. Yarovaya law in Russia is only the beginning. The offer to every crusader is clear: "let's liquidate Baptists all over the world, and then we replace them with our churches, some to me, Catholic church, some to you, Orthodox church, other to you, Lutheran church"..., and on and on. After the assault and the mass murder weren't the crusaders plundering their victims?

Pope and Lutheran leaders mark 'a new beginning' in Sweden
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So will today’s encounters really change the world for the better? Yes, I’m sure that in this northern corner of Europe, where the wars of religion raged, an Argentinian pope, a Palestinian bishop and a Chilean theologian have taken a significant step forward towards the goals of healing and reconciliation. Cardinal Koch of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity called it ‘a new beginning’, and surely that is something to celebrate - even if it has taken us five centuries to achieve.
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http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/10/31/pope_and_lutheran_leaders_mark_a_new_beginning_in_sweden/1269219

Yarovaya law is only the implementation of an already existing climate of intimidation and persecution in Russia against the Christians. Already in 2015 study bible meeting were declared "illegal" and fined:

Regional Court considered lawful fine for reading the Bible in a coffee shop   02/02/2015 - 18:38 / Krasnodar KraiKrasnodar Regional Court declared the decision on the penalty for a joint reading of the Bible in Sochi cafe legitimate.January 28, 2015 the Krasnodar Regional Court upheld the decision of the district court of Sochi Khosta, fined Alexei Kolyasnikova congregation and reading the Bible in a specially rented for this cafe.Recall that in October, the world court found the leader of a group of evangelical Christians "Community of Christians" guilty under Part. 2 tbsp. 20.2 of the Administrative Code (holding a public event without feeding in the established order on its holding notice) and fined 30 thousand. Rubles. Then Khostinsky District Court overturned the decision and sent the case for retrial. In December, re-examined the case, the court fined the pastor again.Now it's decision confirmed the Regional Court.
http://www.sova-center.ru/religion/news/harassment/intervention/2015/02/d31189/

 URL: http://fondsp.org/en/read/lawyer-vladimir-ryakhovsky-court-decision-is-totally-illegal
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LAWYER VLADIMIR RYAKHOVSKY - “COURT DECISION IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL”

Lawyer Vladimir Ryakhovsky who represented Pastor Alexei Kolyasnikov in court gave his comments to Sova Center on the decision of Krasnodar Territorial Court to legitimize the fine for the collective recital of the Bible in a café. 
It is still too early to speak about the motives for the court decision because its text has not yet been made available to the respondent. One could only guess the reasons relied upon by the court.
Here’s the background of the case: Pastor Alexei Kolyasnikov heads a small religious group which is not registered as religious organization. They hold Bible recitals in one of Sochi’s cafes in the hours when the café is closed for ordinary visitors. The recitals are held every Sunday from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. People who come to have a snack are told that a special event is being held inside and there is no way in, but if someone wants to come and listen to the Bible, he or she is allowed to enter. 
Deputy Head of the Regional Office of the Federal Security Service wrote a letter to the Public Prosecutor’s Office stating that, according to the intelligence data, a religious group holds its meetings in this café during which they read the Bible in a distorted interpretation and violate the canons of Christianity by reading it not in full leather binding but on electronic devices. In his opinion, this fact was a source of danger. In the letter he also stated that, according to the intelligence data, this group had connections with the Ukrainian Protestant organizations financed by Western Europe and NATO. Such was his horror story.
Responding to this letter, the Public Prosecutor’s Office arranged for a site inspection. Employees of Public Prosecutor’s Office accompanied by the officers of the Ministry of Interior and the Federal Security Service came to the cafe. At the entrance they were of a religious group meeting being underway inside. They expressed an intention to attend the meeting and were let it. They even took part in the discussion. But after the end of the event they drew up an offence report which stated that a religious group meeting had been held in the café without notification to the executive authorities. 
And so, the Public Prosecutor of Sochi issued an order to institute a criminal case on the grounds of the violation of the Law on Meetings, Rallies, Processions and Pickets. On 12 December 2014 Hosta District Court in Sochi imposed a fine on Kolyasnikov under part 2 of Article 20.2 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation (“Holding of public event without notification made in accordance with established order”).
We appealed against this court decision. I had not participated in the sessions of the first instance court, I joined the case later, said Ryakhovsky. After the appeal the case had been re-examined and on 28 January 2015 Krasnodar Territorial court upheld the decision of Hosta District Court.
I believe that the court decision is totally illegal. Under the Law on the Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations, a religious organization is free to hold its worship services or events without impediment, and may hold such services or events on the premises made available to it for this purpose. In other words, regardless of such premises being owned or rented, they may be made available for holding an event without any obstacles. It means that no notification, approval or permission is required. This should have put the matter to rest, noted Ryakhovsky.
However, Hosta District Court referred to the Law on Meetings, Rallies, Processions and Pickets which allows only one-man pickets to be held without any notification. But when it is a collective meeting of the citizens held with an intent to “discuss socially important issues and take decisions”, how can an individual discuss anything and take decisions on his or her own? We’ll leave it to the court to fantasize, added Ryakhovsky.
We are now waiting for the text of the court decision and we will definitely appeal against it in the supervisory instances. The first appeal will be sent to the Chairman of Krasnodar Territorial Court. I think this would be a useless effort because Krasnodar Territorial Court has already expressed its opinion, but this effort is necessary in order to comply with the established procedure. Then it will be the Supreme Court, stressed the lawyer. 
Should the court decision feature at least one phrase on the one-man meeting, we would have every reason to go immediately to the Constitutional Court.
We will face the matter out by all means, because a very dangerous precedent is being created, said Ryakhovsky. 
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Sunday, October 16, 2016
Yarovaya law forces to close American Independent Baptist mission in Russia
http://spirithismouth.blogspot.it/2016/10/yarovaya-law-force-to-close-american.html

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Catholics, Ortodoxies, Protestants, all-together claps your hand: "death to the Baptists!"

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Taken from:

The Protestant Persecutions
July 11, 2005 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org
http://www.wayoflife.org/database/protestantpersecutions.html

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 ZWINGLI IN ZURICH, SWITZERLAND, WAS A PERSECUTOR

11. This Protestant inquisition was very similar to the Roman Catholic one. The Protestants required that every citizen submit to their doctrine and practice upon pain of death. They required that every citizen become a spy to report on the presence of dissidents. Not only were the dissidents persecuted, so were those who helped them in any way, including those who even failed to report them.

12. Zwingli was a hypocrite in the matter of persecution. He spoke against the Catholics when they persecuted Protestants, but he supported the persecution of Baptists. In his sixty-seven theses against Rome, Zwingli had said: “No compulsion should be employed in the case of such as do not acknowledge their error, unless by their seditious conduct they disturb the peace of others.” Yet, he ignored his own rule and compelled others to believe as he did. The Baptists were not seditionists. They were not trying to overthrow the government. They merely desired to practice their own faith in peace.

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LUTHERANS IN GERMANY WERE PERSECUTORS

Luther also turned against the anabaptists he had once sympathized with. “Sadder yet, Luther reacted with equal violence to the Anabaptists who tried to apply the principle of ‘liberty’ to themselves. Though he knew there were both nonresistant, harmless Anabaptists as well as a radical fringe of social revolutionaries, he condemned all together--favoring a policy of extermination” (William McGrath, Anabaptists: Neither Catholic nor Protestant, http://www.pbministries.org/History/William%20R.%20McGrath/the_anabaptists_part1.htm).  

2. In 1529, the imposing DIET OF SPEIRS (Speyer) pronounced the death sentence upon all Anabaptists. This council was composed of both Roman Catholic and Protestant princes and heads of state. They hated each other and did not get along even in this Diet, but they hated the Anabaptists even more! 
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[A note on Lutheran Prussia and the Counter Reformation. I am sorry for Douglas Willinger, but The Destruction of Eastern Prussia, the Lutheran Prussia, how not to see in it the judgement of God for the wicked Lutheran massacres of the "ana"Baptists, in alliance with the Catholics, with which Luther and descendents built the religious Lutheran power? To hide the judgement of God under Geo-political and Geo-religious analysis - even if  valid and not manipulated - is a work of men, not of God. Take heed, that no one of those "ana"Baptists is forgotten at the eyes of God
See his blog, which, on the other way, has a lot of very useful historical information:
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.it/]

 JOHN CALVIN IN GENEVA WAS A PERSECUTOR

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3. In the days of King Edward VI of England, Calvin wrote a letter to Lord Protector Somerset and urged him to put Anabaptists to death: “These altogether deserve to be well punished by the sword, seeing that they do conspire against God, who had set him in his royal seat” (John Christian, A History of the Baptists, Vol. 1, chap. 15).

4. Historian John Christian observes that Calvin “was responsible in a large measure for the demon of hate and fierce hostility which the Baptists of England had to encounter.”


PERSECUTION OF THE CALVINISTS IN HOLLAND AGAINST THE ARMINIANS
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THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND WAS A PERSECUTOR
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PERSECUTION OF BAPTISTS IN THE DAYS OF KING HENRY VIII AFTER HIS SPLIT WITH ROME
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BAPTISTS PERSECUTED IN THE DAYS OF KING EDWARD VI

Upon the death of Henry in 1547, his young son Edward VI reigned for six years.

1. Edward stopped the persecution against Protestants and even granted pardon to criminals; but the persecution of Baptists continued. At least two Baptists were burned at the stake during Edward’s reign. 
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BAPTISTS PERSECUTED IN THE DAYS OF QUEEN ELIZABETH I
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BAPTISTS PERSECUTED DURING THE DAYS OF KING JAMES I
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BAPTISTS PERSECUTED IN ENGLAND 1626-1689 
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PERSECUTION BY PROTESTANTS IN AMERICA

The Protestants who settled in America, though fleeing religious persecution, themselves persecuted Baptists and Quakers and others who differed from them until the time of the American independence and the formation of the United States Constitution. We will give two examples of this.
(etc. etc. follow on the original webpage)

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 We can understand now the Catholic and Protestant Western media silence and the compliance,  on the following facts, with the Putin's and Russian Orthodox church's power because....

"..... they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

Sunday, October 16, 2016
Yarovaya law forces to close American Independent Baptist mission in Russia
http://spirithismouth.blogspot.it/2016/10/yarovaya-law-force-to-close-american.html

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Chosen to damnation: an unconditionally false doctrine.
http://spirithismouth.blogspot.it/2016/10/chosen-to-damnation-unconditionally.html   

Already predicted in 2014:

Thursday, May 15, 2014
World wide anti-Baptist (and anti-Protestant) strategy unifies Marxist China and Ukrainian low intensity war.
http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/05/world-wide-anti-baptist-and-anti.html

Sunday, May 18, 2014
Next Counter Reformation mass assassination in Ukraine?
http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/05/next-counter-reformation-mass.html
 



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